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Feb 23 '12

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Actual good anti rape campaign posters! They don’t shame victims, they ask people to examine their own actions and inactions and protect their friends. And not in a gross excuse for chivalry either, just as people keeping people safe.

See, I have to seriously question this.  Like many and similar, it feels like an awful lot like placing the responsibility for women’s safety on the men around them rather than themselves.  I don’t see that as acceptable, especially given that every single poster depicts men.  A message of “look out for your friends,” I might have been okay with, but this quite distinctly and clearly targets men and men only.

The message is clear: “It’s your job to look out for women, because you’re a man.”

“Please put yourself in danger to protect the women around you”

Classic chivalry.

So are women supposed to be able to prevent their OWN rapes, generally by men who are physically stronger than them?

I guess they could prevent themselves from getting raped by not drinking or dressing revealingly, right?

Look, somebody’s going to have to stand up. A woman has absolutely no control over a man who’s trying to rape her (unless she knows self-defense, maybe). Another man might.

Contrary to what you’re saying here, there are PLENTY of anti-rape campaigns targeted at women. Don’t walk alone. Watch your drink. Don’t drink too much. Don’t dress revealingly. Carry pepper spray. Learn martial arts. Don’t talk to strange men. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Maybe it’s time that men started thinking about how to end sexual assault, too.

I don’t know if any of you know this, but Men Can Stop Rape is an organization totally dedicated to teaching men how to end sexual violence against women. So, you know, you sort of have to expect that their campaign would focus on what men can do to stop rape, being as that’s the entire goal of their organization.

So, I mean, if you don’t want men to help stop rape and teach other men not to engage in sexual violence, then that’s, well, that’s pretty anti-feminist of you. 

And no, it’s not “your job is to look out for women” it’s “your job is to be a decent person and help prevent violence against an unprivileged minority who may not have the power to protect themselves against a larger, stronger, privileged person”. Because, you know, that’s what decent people do.

“Please put yourself in danger to protect the women around you”

More like ”Be a decent human being and say something if it seems like a woman is being harmed or taken advantage of.”

I think this is a great campaign/message, honestly.

I’d put myself in danger to protect the women around me, and I’m also a woman. Looking out for people is part of being human. Women are in danger just by being women, how is that fair? Guys are in a better social position to convince other guys not to harm women, so they have some extra power that comes with their privilege. Since they have it right now, they should use it for good rather than horribleness.

plus, none of these sound like those guys are putting themselves in danger. Tell your friend to stop being a horrible person? I HOPE that doesn’t put you in danger, otherwise get a new friend. Check to make sure a drunk friend is okay? That’s decency 101, with no risk to you. Calling her cell to give a girl friend of yours an out isn’t confronting a dangerous man, it’s GIVING YOUR FRIEND AN OUT. get a clue, get a life, stop being so selfish. This is a good campaign. You can help women without being paternalistic or putting yourself in danger. These are some ways to do that.

“I called her cell to giver her an out”? Is it bad I don’t like doing anything till someone needs to get punched? I really hate when women dance around saying no to someone.

Yeah Richie, it kind of is bad.

Because by the time you’ve probably decided Random Guy “needs to get punched”, more likely than not he has gone so far as to have either physically handled the woman or is bodily preventing her from being able to leave of her own choice. If he isn’t being physically threatening/possessive, he probably is being verbally threatening/possessive — maybe even without realizing it. Waiting until he “needs to get punched” means waiting until you feel your female friend has been overtly violated or threatened. As a woman, I’d deeply appreciate if my friends didn’t wait to intervene to give me an option to leave until after a guy has laid hands on me or basically made it impossible for me to leave or say no without being threatened. If a guy is coming on to me and I’m not responding well, I would like for my friends to give me a subtle but polite option out that avoids confrontation. Because as a female, I’m in the position where I have to be concerned that a direct no to the wrong guy might earn me an aggressive response. I have no way of being sure who that guy is.

I get your mentality of you would like a flat no. I know you, so I know you’re not the type of guy that’s going to do anything that I particularly need to worry about. However, random stranger girl will not know that about you. You’re probably more often thinking of friend situations where there might be chemistry and one side thinks there is and the other doesn’t. these are friends (or at least people who deal with each other on a regular basis), and yes, a direct no is going to be useful to make an unclear situation clear in a situation between people who know each other.

[And since you specified on Twitter that you do mean night club/bar situations…]

However, the random stranger girl at a bar/night club/cafe/bookstore/other-public-location does not owe you the time of day, much less a direct yes or no just because you decide you’re interested.

Read this quote in full please. “That’s what it’s actually like, being a woman: Playing nice with every random asshole, because this random asshole might be the one who hurts you. And then, if he hurts you anyway, they’ll tell you that you led him on. […] We live in a culture where men are taught that, if they want women’s time and attention, they are entitled to it.

You know what’d be nice from a female’s end? If when a guy tries hitting on her and she doesn’t really respond in kind, if he would take the hint and back off.

That’s the key with this anti-rape campaign too, Richie. It’s not telling you to cockblock every guy you see when he’s hitting on a friend of yours. It’s telling you if your friend looks like somebody is hitting on her and she’s not responding so great, call/text her phone so she has an option to get out. If she’s interested, she can keep talking. If she isn’t, you’ve given her a non-confrontational way to escape so she doesn’t have to get in a situation where she has been so threatened that Random Guy “needs to get punched”. If it gets that far, you’re being a poor wingman to your female friends.

And I don’t care who RG is, if the girl tries to leave via any fashion (even just moving a couple of seats down at the bar) and does not say anything about wanting to see more of you, that is a “NO”. RG has no right to keep pursuing her, because the girl does not owe RG her time or attention.

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